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with boehner and obama and reid and joe biden sit down. >> no, they're going to agree how much are we going to cut and then the policy people are going to see where and how. that's how it goes in washington. >> before you get to washington, how do you dweel patient demand? you have all of these new machines and technology. you go in, you're a reasonably healthy person. you say, hey, i want to use the new machine that gives you an echo cardiogram. the doctor says, no, you're fine, and you get one. >> there are two, mike, i think that's a great question. two issues there. where do patients get these ideas and why do they do it? in part, doctors are fuelling that and drive down the new jersey turnpike, what do you see? hospital after hospital. we've got cyber knife. the robot. this. we're fuelling patients demand. the second thing -- >> what does the di vinci robot do? >> i'm sure you don't. it's the four arm robot that does prostate surgery. >> those guys actually don't like me because i keep saying this. it costs about 4 or 5,000 more per surgery. for a surgeon to get really good at it, requ
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